Rethinking

Started by matt · 14 hours ago · 44 replies · 282 views

Kaydax
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JoinedJun 2021 Posts5 Score2,439
Apart from the engine improvements which are always positive, the huge changes to how s&box works seems like a huge over correction to the negative voices while also being way too late to make a difference. 

There was never an actual issue with how the current asset system worked, and is still leagues above how the steam workshop functions, so removing it and replacing it fully with the workshop is a huge downgrade and will make s&box even more shit of an experience to use.

Removing Terry ("citizen") from the game as well just seems like disservice to the artist who have created him and improved him over the years, and the people complaining about it have no real actual critique apart from "he's ugly". It was all just an extra cherry on top of actual complaints just because s&box never actually had the backing platform quality to give terry a good time to shine so people just shit on him to add fuel to the fire and seem to have no real interest in actually giving the platform a shot if it did improve.

I really wish this isn't a final roadmap on things to come as all of it just seems like more hole digging instead of actual problem solving.

Even then from what I constantly see in the community currently and from some facepunch staff, nobody wants to actually hear valid criticism and the community will continue to worship anything done while facepunch plugs its ears and insults anyone who actually speaks their mind.

I'm saying this all with good intentions and have no ill-will against s&box, but being part of the community for years and seeing the direction it's going just saddens me.
PharmaceuticalSodak
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JoinedMar 2026 Posts26 Score9,184
Limule
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JoinedNov 2022 Posts9 Score1,715
goats <3
Giga
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JoinedOct 2026 Posts2 Score0
Naw Terry needed to go. But you are right about the existing community for this game being a problem (see reception to my comment about renaming the game). It's like everybody wants this game to be a Garry's Mod successor, but refuse to make that happen via the most obvious and easiest ways.
Apart from the engine improvements which are always positive, the huge changes to how s&box works seems like a huge over correction to the negative voices while also being way too late to make a difference.  There was never an actual issue with how the current asset system worked, and is still leagues above how the steam workshop functions, so removing it and replacing it fully with the workshop is a huge downgrade and will make s&box even more shit of an experience to use. Removing Terry ("citizen") from the game as well just seems like disservice to the artist who have created him and improved him over the years, and the people complaining about it have no real actual critique apart from "he's ugly". It was all just an extra cherry on top of actual complaints just because s&box never actually had the backing platform quality to give terry a good time to shine so people just shit on him to add fuel to the fire and seem to have no real interest in actually giving the platform a shot if it did improve. I really wish this isn't a final roadmap on things to come as all of it just seems like more hole digging instead of actual problem solving. Even then from what I constantly see in the community currently and from some facepunch staff, nobody wants to actually hear valid criticism and the community will continue to worship anything done while facepunch plugs its ears and insults anyone who actually speaks their mind. I'm saying this all with good intentions and have no ill-will against s&box, but being part of the community for years and seeing the direction it's going just saddens me.
Titanovsky
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JoinedSep 2021 Posts345 Score4,923
Goodbye, my dear sausage 💖

I'm glad Garry realized a lot of mistakes, and it really took many months, better late than never. I can understand the PlayFund, but I don't agree with the alleged copies of the games (this is an incorrect rule, it's not clear what it's about), I can understand the removal of Terry - many people have asked for it, but I love him very much. But I don't understand at all why do it so early for free? When we were waiting for the release from 2021, we were hoping for 50-100k online and there was a dev preview stage, it was justified. After the release, we were hoping for December, and then in 1-2 years for the free version, that the platform would at least reach 10k players online, but this would not happen in December, and then how to calculate the score? What will be the marketing plan for 2027? Will we enter the fog of understatement again, or will Garry tell us this time what he has planned for marketing in 2027? 

Btw, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or insult Facepunch, I just don't want mistakes to be repeated. I want s&box to be free but I don't like that it will be very early, because there is still very little content and games.
Limule
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JoinedNov 2022 Posts9 Score1,715
 I have to say: I like this project a lot. But tbh I started coding on Gmod with Lua and I find C# more complicated. Maybe I'm just dumb! But this may explain why there aren't as many games as there should be. I think C# is a great language nonetheless, but Lua is way more beginner-friendly. Visual scripting is good though I personally prefer writing my own code. And what was great about Gmod is that when I didn't know anything about Lua, I just extracted some random addons from the workshop to see how they worked. I wish I could do that on S&box to learn. Idk, I think you guys are great game devs, and s&box really shows the passion you have for it. 

Love you guys, keep up with the good work 👍❤️
byplt
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JoinedJul 2021 Posts3 Score405
 when you first released the game, i left a comment here: https://sbox.game/news/post-release


im telling you the same things again. when a new player joins, they get lost in the main menu. just put a huge play button right in the middle of the screen and remove the rest of the menu. thats more than enough. when the player clicks it, they should enter the game in sandbox mode and discover the rest on their own. its that simple.


if you cant see this coming, find a young kid, ask them to play the game, and just observe what they do.


youve spent all this time working for developers, but youve neglected new players. i assume youve received plenty of feedback by now, so you have fewer opportunities and resources left to rely on trial and error.


so make smart decisions. you still have a chance. dont get lost in the details....

birdup
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JoinedJul 2022 Posts2 Score840
rip terry 

hope this is a generational lock in
Flowey
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JoinedNov 2022 Posts4 Score0
 Facepunch, please add DLSS/FSR frame generation to s&box. There is no point in ruining the experience for players with capable hardware—depriving them of the chance to boost smoothness by 2–4 times—just because of some personal principles. If someone dislikes frame generation, they can simply choose not to use it; personally, however, I use it in every supported game, and it significantly improves the experience for me and many others. Its biggest advantage is the ability to increase smoothness while bypassing CPU bottlenecks—a very common issue in GMOD. If you continue to be stubborn and ignore the community, I don't think the game will ever recover from its rocky launch. 
The Relentless
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JoinedApr 2026 Posts17 Score455
You can patch out the model, but you can't patch out what Terry meant to this community.

And let's be honest about who actually did this. It wasn't just Facepunch. It was us. The community was cruel to Terry for years — his face, his proportions, his whole look became a running joke — and the devs finally caved and deleted him just to stop the noise. We bullied a character out of existence and called it feedback.

So yeah, that's on us. But it's still on you to fix it. Bring him back — remastered, rebuilt, whatever. Just bring him back.
SLOW DOWN!!
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JoinedJan 2025 Posts18 Score6,976
ah they gave him a neck just to hang him
EGoriy
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JoinedNov 2025 Posts17 Score6,045
 The pace of work is picking up impressively. It's been a while since I've seen this many cool commits. 

The game's going free before the end of this year 0_0. That's a huge decision. This news really boosted my motivation to work harder on my project so I can make it in time for this momentous occasion! 

 And you guys finally started working harder on performance. I hope this trend continues. 
thejdmego.~
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JoinedJul 2022 Posts7 Score13,665
Thank you guys, let's hope we're moving in the right direction.

I think that Terry will take his niche and be a perfect fit for some games (see Spank the Terry, Sausage Survivors, etc). It is not a time to say him goodbye. One downside is that he will not receive further updates from Facepunch or clothing creators, but there is still hopium that he will not be forgotten.
Also just imagine Facepunch remaking WISEGUYS as s&box game and bringing Terry back LOL.
KiD Fearless
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JoinedOct 2021 Posts2 Score610
Hey S&box team, just wanted to say that you guys are doing amazing work! I've loved every minute of making my, crappy, games. The developer experience is so amazing! I hate seeing you guys clearly suffering from the launch feedback, and just wanted to throw some positive love your way. You all are amazing! <3
Nigacado Avocado
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JoinedNov 2025 Posts1 Score3,435
Why does terry need to be straight up deleted? It would make much more sense to keep him as a side option? After all terry just had a mini rework not long ago with sliders etc, now we are removing him? And replacing him with humans in which humans can only customize height and eye color? And a couple presets? This is a downgrade no? Why not do the smart thing and make the humans the main option and keeping the terrys? Even if hidden in the avatar screen. And where are the source mounts? Overall it’s a great update and somewhat a step in the right direction but for gods sake keep the Terrys in the game. removing them just means less people buying cometics.. uknow the main core monetization system which you guys designed the game around? From the outside it looks like Garry got bullied into pandering to assholes, terry didn’t need to go.. the humans just needed to be the main thing and better.
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